Session Start: Sat Feb 16 00:00:00 2013 Session Ident: #glitchpc [00:00] * Now talking in #glitchpc
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[07:00]<+camerongray> Hey jacky
[07:00]<@jacky> camerongray: Hello :)
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[13:11]<@BC_Programming> I think my second hard drive may have finally failed
[13:13]<@Mulreay> :-(
[13:14]<@BC_Programming> that would be an understatement
[13:14]<@BC_Programming> doesn't help that as a result every single application I'm running that tries to access it hangs
[13:15]<@BC_Programming> Just opening explorer hangs the entire machine
[13:15]<@BC_Programming> I'll try rebooting
[13:15]<@BC_Programming> brb
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[13:17]<BC_Programmer> words cannot express how pissed off I am at Windows Update
[13:17]<BC_Programmer> that stupid crap where it installs stuff when you shut down or restart
[13:18]<BC_Programmer> as if, you now, you never ever need to restart in an emergency
[13:18]<BC_Programmer> No, you always have time to leave it on and have it mess with crucial system files
[13:18]<@Mulreay> wb]
[13:18]<BC_Programmer> via laptop and mibbit client btw
[13:19]<BC_Programmer> update will probably freeze and leave me with an unbootable desktop
[13:20]<BC_Programmer> I really love how it doesn't show progress
[13:20]<BC_Programmer> that's really nice
[13:21]<BC_Programmer> Good thing I don't need to shut down from CPU overheating or something
[13:21]<BC_Programmer> "Quick shutdown" woo... got to shutdown just in time
[13:21]<BC_Programmer> "Please wait while windows install 700 updates"
[13:22]<@Mulreay> Yeah, I get those all the time.. REALLY annoying
[13:22]<BC_Programmer> then it hangs from the CPU overheating, because it's soo much better to hang in the middle of a system update than at the desktop
[13:22]<BC_Programmer> and there is no option "yes, when I choose shutdown I want to shutdown, not have to dance about fiddling with system innards when half the machine isn't working properly"
[13:23]<BC_Programmer> like when my graphics card occasionally overheats and goes wonky, I can't even try to restart windows because it will freeze and I'll be left in an unbootable state...
[13:23]<BC_Programmer> have to use the old "hold the power button" method to reboot properly
[13:24]<@Mulreay> Yeah never a nice thing to do
[13:24]<BC_Programmer> can't even do that now because it's sitting there install update 2 of 2... do I know what it is? no, of course not. Why let the user know what the update is
[13:24]<BC_Programmer> for all I know it's installing an update for Office or something
[13:24]<BC_Programmer> because that's critical "oh, you want to reboot because one of your hard drives stopped responding... sounds good, first let me install this completely unnecessary update"
[13:26]<BC_Programmer> If this doesn't go well it's ironic that the last place I would look for help would be CH
[13:26]<BC_Programmer> because you know they'll just be all "well you should use disk images"
[13:26]<@Mulreay> haha very true
[13:27]<BC_Programmer> I don't exactly find Multi-TB drives just lying around to do that
[13:27]<+camerongray> I'm busy reinstalling a laptop for someone
[13:28]<+camerongray> Typical teenager's laptop
[13:28]<@Mulreay> How do you re-install a laptop? Just plug it back in?
[13:28]<+camerongray> Full of viruses, junk and toolbars
[13:28]<+camerongray> Reinstalling Windows :P
[13:28]<BC_Programmer> also it takes almost 20 minutes for my desktop to even start booting :(
[13:28]<@Mulreay> Why so long?
[13:29]<+camerongray> I ran MBAM and removed the viruses but most applications would crash and go to the error reporting which also crashed
[13:29]<BC_Programmer> well probably not that long, maybe a full minute or two just sitting at the initial post screen before it even looks at anything
[13:29]<+camerongray> The original fault was the WiFi wasn't working
[13:29]<BC_Programmer> I have no idea why it takes so long... the entire thing is probably going to catch fire or explode one day
[13:29]<+camerongray> Ahh, no spare drives?
[13:29]<BC_Programmer> spare drives for what?
[13:30]<+camerongray> your PC
[13:30]<BC_Programmer> I have a few 160GB IDE drives
[13:30]<BC_Programmer> all my SATA (2) are in the computer
[13:30]<+camerongray> Ahh
[13:30]<BC_Programmer> and none of my spare drives happen to have enough space to store 1.5TB of information
[13:31]<BC_Programmer> Still sitting at windows update, installing this mysterious and undisclosed Update 2 of 2
[13:32]<@Mulreay> Actually on the subject of HDD's anyone know of any good Bit by Bit drive cloning software?
[13:33]<BC_Programmer> I don't
[13:33]<BC_Programmer> I have discovered there is a registry hack to disable the automatic updates on shutdown thing
[13:34]<@Mulreay> I want to clone my PS3 drive on to a larger one but Sony has some sneaky methods to detect new cloned drives and you have to format through the PS3 if you install a new one. Just wondering if a bit by bit would sneak past
[13:34]<BC_Programmer> It might
[13:34]<BC_Programmer> but I think it does something like store the Serial of the drive in it's Firmware or something equally stupid
[13:34]<@Mulreay> ahh
[13:35]<@Mulreay> Yeah that would stop it
[13:35]<@Mulreay> What is the hack?
[13:36]<+camerongray> Mulreay: I use Clonezilla but not sure if that would work for a PS3
[13:36]<+camerongray> You'd need to resize the partitions afterwards though
[13:36]<BC_Programmer> there is some kind of pairing process
[13:37]<BC_Programmer> apparently it works on newer PS3's or something
[13:38]<@Mulreay> Mine is a new slim one.. all I find online is jumbled threads answered by morons that know feck all about computers
[13:41]<@Mulreay> It's no big deal i could just back up the PS3 to another drive but as it has to be FAT32 I would probably have to by 2 drives... 1 for the PS3 and 1 to backup the data
[13:42]<@Mulreay> buy*
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[13:48]<BC_Programmer> PS3's internal drive uses some undocumented proprietary FileSystem, from what I understand
[13:48]<BC_Programmer> FAT32 is for externals
[13:49]<BC_Programmer> At this point I don't think the TCO (Total Cost of Ownership) of a console is really less than a PC
[13:50]<BC_Programmer> a lot of the annoyances you get with Desktop PCs you get with Consoles now- like Hard Drive problems, Updates, patches, etcetera
[13:51]<BC_Programmer> I am very tempted to force my desktop to reboot at this point
[13:52]<BC_Programmer> but I'll give it a while
[13:53]<BC_Programmer> I don't even remember which physical hard drive is which
[13:55]<BC_Programmer> I guess whoever designed it decided it would never be necessary to quickly shut down, and they could always take their sweet time installing updates
[13:55]<BC_Programmer> "My PC is on fire, I better shut it off quick to save my data"
[13:55]<BC_Programmer> *please wait while windows installs critical updates"
[13:56]<BC_Programmer> Unless one of those critical updates is a fire extinguisher it's not going to really help if the PC is on fire
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[14:45]<BC_Programmer> gave up on the update and forced a reboot
[14:45]<BC_Programmer> second hard drive is detected in the BIOS and I got to the login so far, so OS isn't fuggled up at least
[14:45]<@Mulreay> wb
[14:46]<BC_Programmer> One day when I shut down and remember I'm going to remove this stupid floppy drive, too
[14:46]<@Mulreay> Wow you still have a 3.5"?
[14:46]<@Mulreay> Drive that is.. :p
[14:47]<BC_Programmer> yes I installed one of mine in it for some reason, back when I had that thinkpad
[14:47]<BC_Programmer> hmm... well I guess maybe the Operating System is completely screwed
[14:47]<BC_Programmer> Black screen with cursor last 5 min so far
[14:47]<BC_Programmer> and naturally right as I say that the desktop appears...
[14:47]<@Mulreay> Do you have a recovery CD?
[14:47]<BC_Programmer> HAHAHAHAHA
[14:47]<BC_Programmer> hahahaah
[14:48]<@Mulreay> oops this can't be good
[14:48]<BC_Programmer> recovery CD? wtf are you talking about? for what?
[14:48]<BC_Programmer> hmm
[14:48]<BC_Programmer> second hard drive SMART health is at 1% :(
[14:48]<@Mulreay> erm
[14:49]<BC_Programmer> at least I can access files on it again... will do a good ol' chkdsk
[14:49]<+camerongray> I hate trying to figure out what to charge for services :P
[14:50]<BC_Programmer> I think 1% SMART status is a bad sign :/
[14:52]<BC_Programmer> yes this is definitely trouble
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[14:57]<@BC_Programming> heheh
[14:58]<@BC_Programming> 1465136127 KB total disk space.
[14:58]<@BC_Programming> 1287791012 KB in 1051966 files.
[14:58]<@BC_Programming> 415552 KB in 52947 indexes.
[14:58]<@BC_Programming> 0 KB in bad sectors.
[14:58]<@BC_Programming> 1261803 KB in use by the system.
[14:58]<@BC_Programming> 65536 KB occupied by the log file.
[14:58]<@BC_Programming> 175667760 KB available on disk.
[14:58]<@BC_Programming> Apparently Chkdsk thinks it's fine
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[15:05]<@BC_Programming> I wonder why it thinks 1% now though
[15:05]<@BC_Programming> hmm looks like it's the temperature... I wonder if it's just an overheating issue
[15:06]<@BC_Programming> Power on time: 1115.3 Days o_o
[15:07]<@BC_Programming> hmm that's less than my System Drive though
[15:07]<@BC_Programming> I'm going to say the drive overheated... probably the cause of my HDD woes really
[15:07]<@Mulreay> 1115.3 days?
[15:07]<@BC_Programming> yeah
[15:07]<@Mulreay> wow
[15:08]<@BC_Programming> system drive is 1560 or therabouts
[15:08]<@BC_Programming> but it's allegedly fine according to SMART
[15:08]<@Mulreay> That's redonculous
[15:08]<@BC_Programming> Power on counts are around 100 each
[15:09]<@BC_Programming> seems the secondary is flagging as being bad because of read error rate and whatnot, but I think it might be because it has problems when it overheats... if I can keep the temp lower, that might prevent issues
[15:11]<@BC_Programming> Actually, I could probably put one of the HDDs where the floppy is, seems they have temp problems because they are basically a ball of heat in one spot
[15:11]<@BC_Programming> I think I'll do that now, actually- brb
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[16:10]<@BC_Programming> ended up swapping the drive positions
[16:10]<@BC_Programming> couldn't put an HD where the floppy was though, which is weird because they are the same size
[16:11]<@BC_Programming> couldn't find the faceplate for the floppy either so I just sorta left a hole in it
[16:11]<@Mulreay> wb
[16:11]<@BC_Programming> ty
[16:12]<@BC_Programming> so good news is it doesn't appear to have failed yet at least
[16:12]<@Mulreay> cool
[16:14]<@BC_Programming> I'm thinking they just overheat, which causes problems. second hard drive had more because it was nestled beneath the other one, so couldn't cool very well
[16:15]<@BC_Programming> I spaced them out a bit... had to switch a few cables around to get it in the bottom spot, hopefully that extra breathing room keeps them both cooler
[16:15]<+camerongray> Ahh, my case has a fan that blows cold air from outside the case directly over the HDDs
[16:16]<@BC_Programming> mine doesn't and there is no room for the one I do have
[16:16]<@BC_Programming> I wanted to install one of the HDDs in the floppy spot, wouldn't fit, spent about a half-hour looking for brackets to put it in one of the upper 5-1/4" bays
[16:16]<@BC_Programming> then couldn't get the bloody faceplate out
[16:17]<@BC_Programming> and then realized I couldn't mount it there anyway because you need to use these rail things, and it didn't fit on the bracket properly :/
[16:18]<@BC_Programming> and I'm not about to do what I did with my 386 back in the day... no brackets so I just screwed them on one side, lol
[16:19]<@Mulreay> heh
[16:19]<@BC_Programming> maybe the hole in the case where I took the floppy drive out will help somehow
[16:21]<@Mulreay> OK need to choose my Sci-Fi episode for bed and dinner soon.. completely forgot to eat and it's 23:21 and have to be up at 8am for the shop.. last day tomot
[16:22]<@Mulreay> tomorrow*
[16:22]<@Mulreay> Back to Manchester on Tue whhhoooo proper broadband beckons
[16:23]<@Mulreay> Also BC_Programming can I PM you some info to mull over pls
[16:23]<@BC_Programming> ok
[16:24]<@Mulreay> Cool, will send that and will log off.. not enough USB ports to have internet and my external and my phone charging
[16:26]<@BC_Programming> now my audio is screwed up... dammit all
[16:28]<@Mulreay> Let me know if you're about to restart as the PM will be lost.. it's ready now if your sticking around long enough.. and on that bomb shell I will have to say goodnight and will chat again tomorrow if your about...
[16:29]<@Mulreay> Sent the PM
[16:29]<@Mulreay> Will chat tomorrow if your about.. laters
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[17:27]<Tux2> hey guys!
[17:27]<Tux2> http://epicminecrafter.com/home/m/8752706/article/1292579
[17:32]<+camerongray> hey Tux2
[17:33]<+camerongray> I have a question I seem to be asking everyone...
[17:33]<+camerongray> How much would you charge to backup a PC, reinstall the OS/Drivers and copy the data back?
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[17:42]<Tux2> $90
[17:42]<Tux2> for a basic one
[17:42]<Tux2> depends on how much data
[17:43]<Tux2> If it's running more than 80GB I'll charge $120
[17:43]<Tux2> camerongray
[17:52]<+camerongray> Ahh, thanks
[17:52]<+camerongray> I'm useless at asking for money :P
[17:52]<+camerongray> I do kinda know the people
[17:53]<+camerongray> They are my granny's neighbours so I speak to them a bit
[17:53]<+camerongray> And their dog is adorable :P - Sitting trying to fix a PC with a hyper labradoodle pawing me :P
[17:53]<lucifer> Lol
[17:54]<+camerongray> I'd hate to ask for more than £50
[17:55]<+camerongray> Which is mad since I would get more money if I did
[17:55]<+camerongray> I charged someone £60 to build a PC and copy files to it :P
[17:55]<+camerongray> Although to be fair, I have been friends with the guy since I was 5
[17:58]<+camerongray> Wow I'm lazy! Was taking notes of what I'm doing to this PC and dropped my pen which flew under my desk, continued my notes in word instead of getting the pen back
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[19:24]<@BC_Programming> Second HDD is at 1% SMART Health. I'm starting to doubt the usefulness of a feature that I've never actually seen work reliably (SMART, in this case)
[19:25]<@BC_Programming> I've had drives fail that are working fine according to it, like my laptop's drive- and I've had drives work for years after SMART is telling me to prepare for "imminent failure"
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[19:26]<+camerongray> Gah! I hate invoicing
[19:26]<@BC_Programming> going to be an accountant?
[19:26]<+camerongray> lol - Billing for PC repairs
[19:27]<+camerongray> "Oh, I spent an hour installing software so that would be £10" "But it was all free software which they could have done themselves so I shouldn't charge"
[19:27]<+camerongray> I'm too nice
[19:27]<lucifer> Lol
[19:28]<lucifer> Yeah
[19:28]<+camerongray> So far a full data backup and restore, OS reinstall, virus removal on backups, restore and installation of essential applications comes to £70
[19:28]<@BC_Programming> ahh... good.. if I zip up the Photoshop files for the wallpapers I made they go from 5GB to 3GB so I can back them up :D
[19:28]<+camerongray> lol
[19:28]<@BC_Programming> cam: not nearly enough
[19:28]<+camerongray> I know :P
[19:28]<lucifer> Nice BC_Programming
[19:29]<+camerongray> But billing at more than £10 an hour makes me cry :P
[19:30]<@BC_Programming> well considering most places practically wipe and reinstall windows for everything, and still charge $200 even though they hardly ever even install drivers or other software...
[19:30]<+camerongray> Yeah, Would be fine if they were random public but I know them
[19:31]<@BC_Programming> not to mention charging for replacements that aren't necessary and then keeping the old component
[19:31]<+camerongray> But even then, I only know them because they are my granny's neighbour and have an adorable labradoodle
[19:31]<@BC_Programming> that one probably makes me the angriest... they'll charge for a new hard drive (which isn't even necessary) and don't even consider the value of the old one they plan to keep
[19:32]<+camerongray> Yeah
[19:32]<@BC_Programming> I think "it's a hard drive issue" might be the catch-all if they can't figure out what the problem is
[19:32]<+camerongray> I always offer the old one, they often let me keep it though
[19:32]<@BC_Programming> the one time something did need a new HD, I did keep it
[19:32]<@BC_Programming> but only because I gave them one of mine :P
[19:33]<@BC_Programming> think I charged 100$ for that entire operation... think it was pretty much just installing Windows+Drivers+Office and whatnot to the new drive... $100 seemed fair given the drive cost me $40 or so originally
[19:37]<+camerongray> yeah
[19:37]<+camerongray> £70 seems far too much :P
[19:37]<+camerongray> for what I did
[19:38]<@BC_Programming> I think it's not enough :P
[19:38]<+camerongray> I know it's not enough too!
[19:38]<+camerongray> But I don't want them to be like "How much?"
[19:38]<@BC_Programming> in fact you did more than a shop might have
[19:38]<@BC_Programming> a lot of them just wipe the drive
[19:38]<@BC_Programming> and go "duh what data?"
[19:38]<+camerongray> True
[19:38]<@BC_Programming> or claim "we couldn't save any of the data"
[19:39]<+camerongray> I'm even storing a clone of the original drive for 2 weeks to ensure that nothing has been mised
[19:39]<+camerongray> missed*
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[21:59]<@BC_Programming> So far I've played two New Vegas DLCs
[22:00]<@BC_Programming> if I had paid a single cent for them I would be very pissed off
[22:00]<@BC_Programming> first one was just retarded in too many ways to list
[22:00]<@BC_Programming> So I figured "ok, good, that one must be the dud. The others are probably better"
[22:01]<@BC_Programming> next one I played is actually worse
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